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Tuesday, July 1, 2025

Elon is Just Being Elon. So, Who Cares?

By Rich Kozlovich, Tags: Mars and Elon Musk Are Both Out There

Elon Musk is threatening to launch a third party if the Congress dares to ignore him and pass Trump's Big Beautiful Bill!  And we're shocked why?  There were many, including me, who believed the day would come when he would be a serious problem for Trump.  Why? Because he's Elon Musk, and unlike Sir Thomas More, "A man for all Seasons", Elon Musk is a "man for no seasons", and a man for whom I've had little respect.  

I consider him to be a massively self serving con artist, feeding at the government's subsidy trough on electric cars, and even promoting global warming.  Elon Musk has been touting this Mars expedition for some time, and it just ain't gonna happen, and while I don't know where the funding would come from, I'm betting it's just another opportunity to feed at the government subsidy trough.  As my friend John Ray noted, "he is a brilliant fundraiser off governments, State and Federal."  As for me, I think he's a strange man, and I think he's a bit nuts.  A man who thrives on and lusts for attention. 

As for a third party headed up by Elon Musk, I don't think it's going to happen.  Who exactly does he think he's going to attract? 

  • MAGA voters? That just ain't gonna happen as they're almost universal in their contempt for Musk, many of whom predicted this kind of backstabbing from him.
  • Disgruntled Democrats?  That could happen, but just how many are left in the Democrat party who've not already turned to Trump?  A party with it's core solidly Marxist.  You can almost hear those remaining disgruntles saying:  That's it, I've had it, I'm voting for a different Democrat!  How many of them were going to vote for Trump? Few to none, so there's no loss there, but they're never voting for Musk.
  • Far left voters.  Not in a million years, they hate Musk.   
  • Green party?  Maybe, but if every Green party member joined him they would be just as ineffective and meaningless as they are now. 
  • Libertarians?  Maybe, but Libertarian members are mostly ideologues, and I think a bit strange. Their impact on American elections has been meaningless.  Joining Musk won't make them meaningful, and they know it.  
  • Never Trumpers?  They're numbers are also meaningless, and their influence is non existent, like John Kasich, Liz Chaney, George Will, and Bill Kristol.  No one listens to them, and no one cares what they have to say.  Just like their fellow RINO's, as in disgusted Republicans who are false conservatives versus real conservatives, they already weren't voting for Trump or any other real conservative anyway, so there would be no lost votes there or for that matter, in any of these categories.  

History, and the cultures they're departing are against them and the American culture won't support them!  You have to have the numbers to be a politically important movement,  even if some of those numbers are offensive to the touch.  He doesn't have the skills necessary to bring diverse groups together, and since the left is treating this as a war of conquest and destruction of American capitalism and democracy, that makes it a real war, and we need to understand they are the enemy of the American identity, the American culture, the American economy and the U.S. Constitution, and any attempt by Musk to undermine Trump and the MAGA movement will be viewed as supporting a movement that wants to destroy the nation.  

Finally, recruitment and strategic thinking requires goals, and Elon Musk has no determinable goals, nor does he have definable policies that he would install in place of Trump's.  So, Elon is just being Elon, and as my mother used to say, "this falls under the category of who gives a crap", only she didn't say crap.  


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Tuesday, October 1, 2024

Will This Stolen Election Create a Third Party?

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 I originally published this on Saturday, December 19, 2020, but given the run by RFK, Jr. and his "Independent Party", I thought it was worth republishing, as the principle issues regarding third parties remain the same.  Liz Chaney says the GOP will realign, and of course she means against Trump.  Well, that's delusional, and she's not gotten one bit smarter since her state kicked her out of the Congress, in point of fact she's nose dived into the stupid pool, and has dragged her dad in with her.   I don't see anything that's changed other than any talk of a "Trump" third party is meaningless since now Trump is the leader of the Republican party.    

Here were my thoughts four years ago.

Recently I've read about a potential conservative third party emerging from the Republican party, and there seems to be a lot of discussion among conservatives over this based on conversations I've had.  There are two articles I've posted today dealing with this that takes us into the emotions of such thinking, and the practical thinking that I believe will prevail.

First!  This piece by Sarah Cowgill entitled, They Are Mad as Hell but Will They Take It Anymore?, with the sub-headline, "Has there ever been a more opportune time to create a new political party?" @ Liberty Nation, where she states:

Out of the ashes of an embittered, archaic, and dying Republican Party, Donald J. Trump rose to the occasion while descending on a golden escalator to put the GOP out of its self-inflicted misery. The Silent Majority was silent no more, and joining forces with an America-first candidate, 63 million energized, excited, and optimistic people swept the man and dozens of hangers-on into office.

Instead of embracing a win and a Republican mandate in both houses of Congress, petty arguments, backstabbing, distancing, and incredible disloyalty to the president, Republicans have done little to keep their party members happy. Rather, the green-eyed monster from losers long ago reared its ugly head in the trappings of Senators John McCain and Mitt Romney and their sycophants who followed along. For many, the fix was in – from the inside out — making the Republican Party no better than the Democrats of 2016.

She's suggesting that a "Trumplican Party", made up of America Firsters, blacks and Hispanics who've turned the corner because they could clearly see Trump did more for them in four years than did the Democrats in decades, and those she calls Trumplicans who believe in real justice.  Not a dual system we're clearly stuck with now where the elite get away with treason.  Along with those who support a strong economy, a strong military, and immigration control.  

She didn't mention less regulations, less spending, less taxes, etc, but those are the traditional conservative talking point for Republican party leaders to keep the rank and file in line while never delivering when they had the power, and this election has made it clear, they never intended to. 

That may be emotionally appealing, but is it a real potential?  Personally, I don't think the groups she's outlining are going to support that idea, and it's not going to happen. 

The second piece I posted today was from Brad Slager, who in his piece, The President’s Departure Means the Never-Trump Crowd Now Find Themselves as Outcasts observed: 

When former RNC chairman and current Never Trump minion Michael Steele came out last month to state they had plans for how to reconstitute the Republican Party his plea was met with little more than eye rolls from the GOP. When the pyromaniacs who burned down the barn come forward to state they will be there to help rebuild it the normal reaction is to chase them off the property with buckshot................

He went on to say: 

To go along with these figures acting like evicted tenants pledging not to send Christmas cards there is Bill Kristol, who has appeared like a doddering shopper at a mall who forgot where he parked the car. Kristol this week made the attempt to promote the concept of forming a third political party, and the result could not have been more dismal. His proposal was to come up with The Owl Party as a centrist alternative and he nearly broke his nose, stumbling so magnificently. Once he realized there has already been a satirical Owl Party - one that stood for Out With Logic - he wavered on his cause, and once he was met with complete apathy it was mere hours later when he had abandoned his plan entirely. 

While the two articles differ in that one wants real conservatives to form a third party, and Sager's piece observes a third party of Never Trumpers isn't in any way possible.  But the issue isn't about which group, it's about any group among the Republicans.   The fact is, it's my view there will be no viable third party by any dissatisfied Republicans, from any segment of the party.

There may be an effort to form a third party made up of disgusted Democrats, who are moderately (if there really is such a thing as a moderate Democrat) to the left, and disgusted Republicans who are fauxcons, versus real conservatives, but that won't float.  History and the cultures they're departing are against them and the American culture won't support them!  

Why?  Paraphrasing Harry Truman:  "If the public has a choice between a Republican and a Republican, they'll chose a Republican every time".  And it works in reverse. 

As Slager notes, and I think very credibly. about these Never Trumper fauxcons:

In other words these allegedly "True Conservatives" declare they will continue what they have been doing for years -- acting like Democrats and supporting left-wing agendas. They will do this all the while telling others on the Right how they are not truly conservative. As they wander off into the political wilderness these pariahs will not be missed by anyone in conservative circles.

It's clear that segment of the Republican party is toast.  They may as well become Democrats, except the Democrats don't want them!  Schadenfreude!

Well, what about a Trumplican party?  Teddy Roosevelt tried that with his Bull Moose party, and it failed, worse yet, it split the vote and Woodrow Wilson, known as America's first fascist president, was elected.  In America political parties are formed around ideas, not personalities.

There was talk about the Tea Party becoming a third party, and there was some effort there, but most of the Tea Party people were only interested in supporting the party that embraces conservative issues. Which of course left them no choice but the Republicans.  Only there was a problem with that! They learned the Republican leadership was great at the talking the talk, but was lousy at walking the talk.  

Their options? 

Form a third party or take over the Republican party.  They chose the latter, and that's what they've been doing, much to the dismay of the Mitch McConnell and John McCain crowd, with McCain calling them misfits.  

The fraud of this election, and the actions of the current Republican leadership, has outraged them and their take over is going to happen big time now.  In two years there will be another election for House and Senate members, and the landscape has changed politically, and socially.  

The take over started at the local level and in this election Republicans picked up 11 seats, and they're now in control of more state legislatures, which is critical, because they'll be in charge of redistricting their states, and especially in states where the census has given them more seats in the House.  The Republicans could "dominate the process".

If so, there will be a new Third Party! The new, improved, outraged and transformed Republican Party!  The Kraken has been awakened! 
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Tuesday, July 18, 2023

Crunching the Numbers on a Third-Party Threat

What’s the real cost of an outside challenge?

By Mark Angelides July 18, 2023 @ Liberty Nation News

Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) sent his party into a paroxysm of fear July 17 as he stumped for the third party No Labels in New Hampshire. Ramping up speculation that he might make a run for the White House in 2024, the West Virginian lawmaker appeared all too comfortable following the “unity ticket” script headlined at the event. But he is not the only potential contender who could derail the expected Donald Trump-Joe Biden rematch, and the electoral math suggests the collision is going to hurt only one side.

Who’s on First?

Manchin is almost certainly the highest-profile figure on the third-party radar – despite not actually announcing. He faces a political choice in 2024: run again for his Senate seat or aim for the top spot. Perhaps, though, this choice is not as free as he would hope, with polling trends out of West Virginia putting the lawmaker in a tricky situation.

In April 2022, the senator was posting a 57-point approval rating – up 17% on 2021, with much of the new support coming from Republicans and independents (although, as Morning Consult noted, his Democrat base was beginning to drop). He was riding high on his reputation for stymieing President Biden’s more excessive Build Back Better plans. And yet, with the entry into the Senate race of Jim Justice, the Democrat-turned-Republican governor of West Virginia, re-election for Manchin appears a steep hill to climb. Justice has a higher approval rating than Manchin, and polling from May suggested he has a 22-point lead.

Where else is a soon-to-be jobless senator to turn but 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? A White House bid, however, may not be such a safe harbor. No Labels has made it clear that it does not seek to be a presidential spoiler. Founder Joe Lieberman – a former Democrat senator – says his outfit is looking to create a unity ticket, but only if it has a chance of winning. Essentially, Manchin could commit and then have the apparatus around him swiftly removed, especially if it looks like Biden might be suffering.

Lieberman, for all his talk of moving away from the duopoly of DC politics, is firmly against any notion of populism. As Liberty Nation’s Joe Schaeffer recently noted:

“Lieberman endorsed Hillary Clinton in 2016 and stumped for her on the campaign trail. He endorsed Biden in 2020. So, what is his idea of going ‘Republican’? He endorsed Swamp stalwart and fellow foreign policy interventionist John McCain over Barack Obama in 2008. In 2020, he backed Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), who is routinely labeled a RINO by GOP conservatives irked by her voting record.”

Would he tank his own organization to keep a MAGA candidate out of office?

Don’t Forget the Greens

Philosopher, scholar, and activist Cornel West is chasing the Green Party nomination in what Democrat organizers are calling a “risky business.” The outspoken leftist appears to have more ire for the sitting president than the former and has recently accused Biden of contributing to a “crime against humanity” with his sponsorship of the 1994 Crime Bill.

West acted as a surrogate for Bernie Sanders during the Vermont senator’s 2016 and 2020 presidential bids. There are a lot of Democrats still “feeling the Bern” after their champion was sidelined by establishment forces and who may be open to a prominent figure on the left willing to teach their party a harsh lesson. An Emerson College poll signified that West could pick up a potential 6%, most of which is from Biden. “When West is added to the ballot test, he pulls 15% of support from Black voters, and 13% from voters under 35, two key voting blocs for President Biden,” the report noted.

The Third-Party Historical Perspective

A March memo from Democrat think tank Third Way highlighted that a No Labels bid would most likely re-elect Trump. It noted, “In 2020, Biden won six of the seven states where the margin was three points or less. Even a paltry third-party performance would put 79 Biden electoral votes at risk (GA, AZ, WI, PA, NV, and MI).” Should West get anywhere near the projected six points with his Green Party bid or the eventual No Labels candidate achieve something similar, the reality is that Biden would feel the pain.

Progressive author Michael Bassey Johnson wrote on the topic of outside interference between a husband and wife: “A third party in your marriage will do three things to you: Seduce your spouse, wreck your home and take your place.” Such a warning could apply equally well to Biden and his 2024 hopes.

Read More From Mark Angelides

All opinions expressed are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Liberty Nation.

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Friday, June 11, 2021

Will This Stolen Election Create a Third Party? Part II

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On December 19th I posted this piece.  Will This Stolen Election Create a Third Party?, and when I sent it out saying I thought it was a good piece and hoped everyone would agree.  Well, I will never believe "everyone" likes my articles, but I did get a big response, some positive comments, and some observations worth repeating. 

One of  "Our Group", an e-mail group to which I belong, replied back saying:

I agree both that Rich’s article was well argued, and that the way forward is through the Republican party. But the firebrands miss some essential points:

    1. In any district, it is better to have a Republican in office than a Democrat, RINO waverer or not. They still caucus with the Republicans and therefore are influenceable in ways that a Joe Manchin is not.
    2. When you have only a tiny majority, you can’t afford to be hard-assed with the people whose votes you need. Collins, Romney, and Murkowski are necessary to any vote.
    3. You must treat them that way under these conditions; Leadership must adopt some of the internal strong-arm tactics that the Democrats routinely employ to keep party members in line. I am sure Mitt would not want a poorly lit, inaccessible basement office with broken AC, nor would Susan want Committee reassignments to include the most backwater, mind numbing responsibilities imaginable.
    4. Republicans must understand that their appeal in broad geographic, population density variable areas may generate more strange bedfellows than the increasingly homogeneous, densely populated urban Democrat strongholds, and therefore may expect to deal with a more diverse group of elected Republican officials - and this effect will be even more important if Republicans want to increase their appeal in black and Latino areas. In doing so, they must be prepared to accommodate a wider range of opinion;
    5. If Republicans manage to get a comfortable majority in either the House or Senate, they must be ready to adopt Democrat tactics of shielding their most vulnerable members from the bad local effects of adverse votes whenever possible; and
    6. Once a comfortable majority is established, the Party can finally Start to pick and choose which Republicans to support and which to drive out with strong primary opposition. Only at this last point does the Party have enough power to choose its bedfellows.

Unfortunately the Democrats have proven far superior at Party discipline, but yet that is not always the right answer. How many “Blue Dog Democrats” are left? Pelosi did a rotten job protecting them. They are mostly history now.

I felt his comments were well thought out.  It's clear, at least to me, we need to see this long term.  We need to see farther, deeper and wider than the enemy, and remember, the left is treating this as a war of conquest and destruction of American capitalism and democracy.  That makes it a real war, and we need to get that they are the enemy of the American identity, the American culture, the American economy and the U.S. Constitution.

Although I strive to be unfailingly polite, being a fire brand is my cup of tea.  I love the confrontation, the challenge of ideas, the battle of logic, the battle of facts, the ultimate destruction of my adversaries position.  However, I always understood when in a leadership position you find you're not always left with deciding between right and wrong.  

It’s usually easy to know what’s right and what’s wrong.  But often times in a leadership role you don’t have the luxury of picking between the two. Often times you have to pick which wrong is the most right.  Sometimes you just have to be quiet.   And if you're in a leadership position you have to do what's best for the body you're representing, even if it makes that body a bit sick, because sometimes the conditions and circumstances give you no other options.  I get that.

I’ve often said at meetings every military strategy ever developed was absolutely perfect!  Until they meet the enemy!  It turns out the enemy always has a perfect strategy too, and both found out neither of their strategies were "perfect"!  There are battles that become stalemates, but that's rarely true for a war, and only one can win the war.  The one that wins is the one that can develop effective alternatives.  

That was Alexander the Great’s great skill.  

The Greeks had the phalanx long before Alexander and his father came along, but they never were as successful as Alexander.  Why?  Before that the Greeks didn’t have Alexander.  He had the ability to examine the potential battle field, and actual battlefields, and develop alternatives to overcome his adversaries before and during the battle, even when massively outnumbered.

I was on the Governmental Affairs Committee for my state association for years and the one who was the leader in our group was a three year old child when his family fled Castro's communist "paradise".  Isn't it funny how many people in the world keep leaving these leftist molded paradisaic conditions to live in the horrible conditions of the inequality, racism, white supremacy, oppression and capitalism of the United States.  

 Political Cartoons by AF Branco

Does anyone besides me find that's just a bit remarkable?  

Isn't it also funny that no one living in our vile world of inequality, white supremacy, racism and capitalism wants to move to a wonderful leftist paradise?  

A leftist paradise the left, academia, Democrats, Hollywood and the media praise, excuse and pander to, and want to turn America into.  Of course they could just move to Venezuela or China, or even better yet, one the the many Muslim dominated tyrannies they support and leave the rest of us alone in our alleged "misery."  But that's not going to happen!  As the little kid in The Little Rascals said:  Remarkable!

At any rate, at one of our meetings he asked:  Which should we support, the party or the person?  And most said the person.  He said the party, which kind of surprised us all.  He pointed out there's a reason parties have a party Whip.  That's to whip everyone into line, and that's what they do, and that's what happens.  

You have to have the numbers, even if some of that number are offensive to the touch.  Getting rid of them is the long term solution, the short term solution is to moderate their effect as much as possible. When in a leadership role you represent all the members, no matter how you personally may feel, and this is paramount:  That doesn't mean abandoning conservative values and principles in order to go along to get along.  It's a matter of long term strategic thinking and planning.   

Strategic thinking requires goals.  There are three types of goals. Short term, intermediate and long range goals. Do your best to not mess up the long-range goals to accommodate the short and intermediate range goals. Know the difference between compromise and capitulation. Sometimes we have to side step, shift, or maneuver, but that doesn't mean quitting.  Never quit, never give up and never back down from what you know is right, and that may require patience.  But patience requires understanding.  Understanding is created by defining things property, and that generates discipline. 

You have to know the weaknesses of your friends in order to work around them.  You have to know the weaknesses of your enemies in order to exploit them.  You have to know your own weaknesses in order to fix them.  

Discipline and persistence wins out every time. Quoting Calvin Coolidge, one of the most successful, and most underrated, Presidents of the 20th century:

 “Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not: nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not: the world is full of educated derelicts."

"Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent."

This fraudulent election will, at least in my opinion, bring more real conservatives into the picture, especially at the local and state levels.  Also, how these lunatic governors have imposed tyranny on their states will make it happen all the more.  The fauxcons will either find themselves unelected, or at least marginalized and/or too intimidated by the conservatives in the party, and the conservative media, to get too far afield.  

Let's face it, fauxcons are for the most part gutless wonders, otherwise they wouldn’t have been lying to everyone all these years.  But controlling what they do and think takes numbers.

Right now, people like Romney, Chaney, Kasich and Boehner get a lot of positive attention from the left and their lap dogs in the media.  It's clear they love the attention and the praise, but that's as changeable as ladies fashion.  They may be shining in the glow of leftist praise now, but they're viewed as high smelling, low down and treasonous by former supporters, and that will take it's toll over time.  But the silver lining in all this is they're actions have made it abundantly clear; they're not to ever be trusted again as they're all nothing but leaky vessels in storm tossed seas on the best of days.  

As for McConnell, a few years ago when Trump came into office McConnell was a Never Trumper, and I know for a fact from friends in Kentucky, who've been politically active for years - people who had donated thousands to his campaigns over the years - were making it clear to their friends in the party that McConnell had to go. 

After those conversations I watched this play out and it was clear McConnell read the tea leaves and made the adjustments he needed to fool everyone again.   His days are numbered now.  In February he turned 79, and since he just got re-elected, in six years, if he lives out his term, will be 85.  And at this point he no longer has a need to fool anyone.  It's my view we’ll see McConnell’s whole raison d’etre has been to protect the family business – getting elected! 

However, If the Republicans in the Senate wisely pick a new leader, his influence will be toast, but that’s not gong to happen until the real conservatives get elected, and since the Senate has six year terms, that's going to take a while and a long term concerted effort.

Senators hold their seats for six years with the Senate divided into three groups, therefore, one third of the Senators are up for re-election every two years, which means there will be two elections that can change the make up of the Republicans in the Senate.  However, unless there's a huge change among those nominated for the Senate by the Republicans in the next two national elections, it seems to me McConnell or one of his ilk will be the Senate leader for the Republicans.  

Another EXCELLENT reason for term limits.

 

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Monday, January 25, 2021

The Perfect Storm: Is America Ready for a Third Political Party?

By Steve Rossiter —— Bio and Archives--January 23, 2021

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 In late 2020 and early 2021, there has been much rumbling and mumbling about President Trump forming a new third political party. Conventional wisdom seems to be that a third political party would fail today as it always has failed in the past.  The last successful new political party was the establishment of the Republican Party with President Abraham Lincoln in 1859.  Have the naysayers once again underestimated exactly what President Trump can accomplish when he sets his mind to it?  The progressive socialist Democrat Party, their elitist surrogates in the media, their corrupt domestic and foreign big money sources, the corrupt and cowardly elements of the Republican Party, and the cowardly federal courts have created the prefect storm for the birthing of a vigorous and effective third political party.  President Biden has, by his initial actions, already moved that storm from a Category 3 storm to a Category 5 storm...........To Read More.....

 

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Thursday, January 21, 2021

REPORT: Trump Discusses New ‘Patriot Party’ As Republicans Capitulate

January 19, 2021 Natalie Winters

President Trump has talked in recent days with associates about forming a new political party, according to people familiar with the matter, an effort to exert continued influence after he leaves the White House.

Mr. Trump discussed the matter with several aides and other people close to him last week, the people said. The president said he would want to call the new party the “Patriot Party,” the people said.

Mr. Trump has feuded in recent days with several Republican leaders including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.), who on Tuesday said Mr. Trump deserved blame for provoking the deadly Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol. Polls show Mr. Trump retains strong support among rank-and-file GOP voters.

The White House declined to comment........To Read More.....

 

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Saturday, December 19, 2020

Will This Stolen Election Create a Third Party?

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Recently I've read about a potential conservative third party emerging from the Republican party, and there seems to be a lot of discussion among conservatives over this based on conversations I've had.  There are two articles I've posted today dealing with this that takes us into the emotions of such thinking, and the practical thinking that I believe will prevail.

First!  This piece by Sarah Cowgill entitled, They Are Mad as Hell but Will They Take It Anymore?, with the sub-headline, "Has there ever been a more opportune time to create a new political party?" @ Liberty Nation, where she states:

Out of the ashes of an embittered, archaic, and dying Republican Party, Donald J. Trump rose to the occasion while descending on a golden escalator to put the GOP out of its self-inflicted misery. The Silent Majority was silent no more, and joining forces with an America-first candidate, 63 million energized, excited, and optimistic people swept the man and dozens of hangers-on into office.

Instead of embracing a win and a Republican mandate in both houses of Congress, petty arguments, backstabbing, distancing, and incredible disloyalty to the president, Republicans have done little to keep their party members happy. Rather, the green-eyed monster from losers long ago reared its ugly head in the trappings of Senators John McCain and Mitt Romney and their sycophants who followed along. For many, the fix was in – from the inside out — making the Republican Party no better than the Democrats of 2016.

She's suggesting that a "Trumplican Party", made up of America Firsters, blacks and Hispanics who've turned the corner because they could clearly see Trump did more for them in four years than did the Democrats in decades, and those she calls Trumplicans who believe in real justice.  Not a dual system we're clearly stuck with now where the elite get away with treason.  Along with those who support a strong economy, a strong military, and immigration control.  

She didn't mention less regulations, less spending, less taxes, etc, but those are the traditional conservative talking point for Republican party leaders to keep the rank and file in line while never delivering when they had the power, and this election has made it clear, they never intended to. 

That may be emotionally appealing, but is it a real potential?  Personally, I don't think the groups she's outlining are going to support that idea, and it's not going to happen. 

The second piece I posted today was from Brad Slager, who in his piece, The President’s Departure Means the Never-Trump Crowd Now Find Themselves as Outcasts observed: 

When former RNC chairman and current Never Trump minion Michael Steele came out last month to state they had plans for how to reconstitute the Republican Party his plea was met with little more than eye rolls from the GOP. When the pyromaniacs who burned down the barn come forward to state they will be there to help rebuild it the normal reaction is to chase them off the property with buckshot................

He went on to say: 

To go along with these figures acting like evicted tenants pledging not to send Christmas cards there is Bill Kristol, who has appeared like a doddering shopper at a mall who forgot where he parked the car. Kristol this week made the attempt to promote the concept of forming a third political party, and the result could not have been more dismal. His proposal was to come up with The Owl Party as a centrist alternative and he nearly broke his nose, stumbling so magnificently. Once he realized there has already been a satirical Owl Party - one that stood for Out With Logic - he wavered on his cause, and once he was met with complete apathy it was mere hours later when he had abandoned his plan entirely. 

While the two articles differ in that one wants real conservatives to form a third party, and Sager's piece observes a third party of Never Trumpers isn't in any way possible.  But the issue isn't about which group, it's about any group among the Republicans.   The fact is, it's my view there will be no viable third party by any dissatisfied Republicans, from any segment of the party.

There may be an effort to form a third party made up of disgusted Democrats, who are moderately (if there really is such a thing as a moderate Democrat) to the left, and disgusted Republicans who are fauxcons, versus real conservatives, but that won't float.  History and the cultures they're departing are against them and the American culture won't support them!  

Why?  Paraphrasing Harry Truman:  "If the public has a choice between a Republican and a Republican, they'll chose a Republican every time".  And it works in reverse. 

As Slager notes, and I think very credibly. about these Never Trumper fauxcons:

In other words these allegedly "True Conservatives" declare they will continue what they have been doing for years -- acting like Democrats and supporting left-wing agendas. They will do this all the while telling others on the Right how they are not truly conservative. As they wander off into the political wilderness these pariahs will not be missed by anyone in conservative circles.

It's clear that segment of the Republican party is toast.  They may as well become Democrats, except the Democrats don't want them!  Schadenfreude!

Well, what about a Trumplican party?  Teddy Roosevelt tried that with his Bull Moose party, and it failed, worse yet, it split the vote and Woodrow Wilson, known as America's first fascist president, was elected.  In America political parties are formed around ideas, not personalities.

There was talk about the Tea Party becoming a third party, and there was some effort there, but most of the Tea Party people were only interested in supporting the party that embraces conservative issues. Which of course left them no choice but the Republicans.  Only there was a problem with that! They learned the Republican leadership was great at the talking the talk, but was lousy at walking the talk.  

Their options? 

Form a third party or take over the Republican party.  They chose the latter, and that's what they've been doing, much to the dismay of the Mitch McConnell and John McCain crowd, with McCain calling them misfits.  

The fraud of this election, and the actions of the current Republican leadership, has outraged them and their take over is going to happen big time now.  In two years there will be another election for House and Senate members, and the landscape has changed politically, and socially.  

The take over started at the local level and in this election Republicans picked up 11 seats, and they're now in control of more state legislatures, which is critical, because they'll be in charge of redistricting their states, and especially in states where the census has given them more seats in the House.  The Republicans could "dominate the process".

If so, there will be a new Third Party! The new, improved, outraged and transformed Republican Party!  The Kraken has been awakened! 


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The President’s Departure Means the Never-Trump Crowd Now Find Themselves as Outcasts

Brad Slager | Dec 18, 2020

It is quickly becoming an amusing dose of karma that the loudmouthed and acerbic crowd of GOP purists who boldly declared they hated President Trump now find themselves bereft of a home after they have gotten their way. This cabal of cranks has spent years declaring themselves the noble warriors battling a scourge against their ideals, and now that the election result they insisted upon has been delivered they are encountering a problem. 

Nobody wants them.

When former RNC chairman and current Never Trump minion Michael Steele came out last month to state they had plans for how to reconstitute the Republican Party his plea was met with little more than eye rolls from the GOP. When the pyromaniacs who burned down the barn come forward to state they will be there to help rebuild it the normal reaction is to chase them off the property with buckshot..............In other words these allegedly "True Conservatives" declare they will continue what they have been doing for years -- acting like Democrats and supporting left-wing agendas. They will do this all the while telling others on the Right how they are not truly conservative. As they wander off into the political wilderness these pariahs will not be missed by anyone in conservative circles............To Read More.....

 

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They Are Mad as Hell but Will They Take It Anymore?

Has there ever been a more opportune time to create a new political party?

  By: Sarah Cowgill December 17, 2020Articles, Liberty Rewind, Politics, Social Issues 

Out of the ashes of an embittered, archaic, and dying Republican Party, Donald J. Trump rose to the occasion while descending on a golden escalator to put the GOP out of its self-inflicted misery. The Silent Majority was silent no more, and joining forces with an America-first candidate, 63 million energized, excited, and optimistic people swept the man and dozens of hangers-on into office.

Instead of embracing a win and a Republican mandate in both houses of Congress, petty arguments, backstabbing, distancing, and incredible disloyalty to the president, Republicans have done little to keep their party members happy. Rather, the green-eyed monster from losers long ago reared its ugly head in the trappings of Senators John McCain and Mitt Romney and their sycophants who followed along. For many, the fix was in – from the inside out — making the Republican Party no better than the Democrats of 2016.

Is it time to say goodbye to Abe Lincoln’s party and take on the elitists – no matter the official loyalty? Should the Grand Old Party be relegated to not much more than a happy memory – like faded photographs of family reunions long ago? If you ask those in the heartland of America that would be a resounding yes.

Glory Days — Bygones

Republicans spent years pointing out how their nemesis, the Democratic Party, was fractured. One would think it was death rattling towards another massive loss. Instead, somehow an unpopular old white man with an even more unlikable running mate is poised to reside in the best public housing available in America. Sure, there are rumors and more of cheating. And the false narratives supplied by big-box media didn’t help either — except inspire Congress to investigate ridiculous stories. But no one drove the stake with such force through the heart of reelecting the president than disloyal Republicans.

In four years, Trump-inspired Hispanics, Blacks, LGBTQ #WalkAway with Brandon Straka, and social media groups for the previously disenfranchised. A feat that terrified Democrats and that should have encouraged conservative politicians and candidates to stay the Trump course. It mattered not once reelected: Watching governors Doug Ducey of Arizona and Brian Kemp of Georgia moonwalk away from any hint of allegiance to the president sent additional shockwaves of anger through the Trump base.

And that speaks volumes about the fork in the road conservatives now face — and which path to take. Are these the kinds of people that deserve a conservative vote?

A Trumplican Party?

The question before Republicans is hard to ignore: Has there even been a more opportune time to create a new political party? The diverse voices in America spoke loudly in 2020 for an America First agenda, and now millions – 73 million or so – have been left once again disenfranchised and ready to fight back. Of course, some party loyalists who abhor change of any kind – better the devil you know folks — may stay true to the GOP. Others are ready for an uprising not seen in modern-day political skirmishes. Trumplicans want justice for all, a strong economy, a badass military, the big, beautiful wall, and opportunities that were being realized when COVID-19 struck. And there will never be a better figurehead – with a very steadfast and devoted base – to enthuse, embolden, and embrace a departure from the GOP.

Republican Party feature 

It wouldn’t be the first time a charismatic figure decided to shake things up a bit. The Progressive Party or the Bull Moose Party came about in 1912 when a disgruntled former president decided to run against a disappointing successor. President Theodore Roosevelt lost the presidential nomination of his once-beloved Republican Party to protégé and conservative rival, the incumbent president William Howard Taft. No place to go but to form your very own political machine.

With great fanfare, on June 22, 1912, Roosevelt prompted his faithful supporters to walk off the convention floor – en masse – and reconvene in Chicago’s Orchestra Hall. It was there they said “enough” and formed a third national party as Roosevelt bellowed, they would “stand at Armageddon” and “battle for the Lord.” Are we there yet?

A Third-Party Makeup (Editor's Note:  See My Take below. RK) 

President Trump gained significant increases leading up to election 2020 among black men and Hispanic women: And Latinos overtook the black community to become the largest minority voting bloc in the country. Countless Americans believe the Republican and Democratic parties didn’t do a damn thing in the last half-century for any of these communities. But many found a like-minded ideology with the 45th president.

America’s first president, George Washington, warned loyalty to party over the country could result in unreputable people who “usurp for themselves the reins of government; destroying afterwards the very engines, which have lifted them to unjust dominion.” Yet, it seems that Washington’s admonition is most relevant in election 2020.

It might be time for a party in which the Trump base can see a return on investment. If so, it’s time to get busy because being mad as hell comes with a call to action.

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Read more from Sarah Cowgill.

 

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