“We have to make a judgment about what -- how do we get growth with jobs, that is where the real revenue comes from. You don’t get it by…cutting your education and cutting back on investments in science and National Institutes of Health, food safety, you name it. So, it isn’t as much a spending problem as it is a priorities -- and that is what the budget is, setting priorities...So it is almost a false argument to say we have a spending problem, we have a budget deficit problem.”